High stakes for the DREAM Act in the lame duck

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Monday, November 15, 2010 at 5:41 pm

As Congress begins the lame-duck session, both houses are under increasing pressure to pass the DREAM Act, a bill that would allow some undocumented young people to gain legal status by attending college or serving in the military. Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), who is retiring at the end of this session, called today for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to bring the bill up for a vote before the end of the year.

“Allowing undocumented students to attend primary and secondary schools but requiring that they pay out-of-state tuition for college creates an unfair financial burden that many, even very talented, students cannot overcome,” Diaz-Balart said in a press release. “We should stop hampering these deserving students’ educational opportunities due to the decisions of their parents and allow a vote on the American DREAM Act.”

I explain some of the votes up in the air in our preview of the lame-duck session today. Pelosi has said she hopes to call for a vote on the bill, as has Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). But so far, it’s unclear whether the Democratic leadership has the votes to pass the bill, with some members of the Democratic caucus likely to break with the party to vote against the bill.

For immigrant rights groups, the stakes are high: If the DREAM Act cannot pass with Democrat majorities in both the House and the Senate, it will almost certainly be delayed until at least 2013, when Democrats could again take control of Congress. Immigrant rights groups are stepping up their efforts by staging protests and lobbying politicians to vote for the bill.

One reason supporters want the bill passed this year, beyond the obvious desire to provide more immediate relief to undocumented immigrants, is to prevent further problems with the DREAM Act’s age constraints. The current bill would allow undocumented immigrants who had attended two years of college or served in the military for two years to gain legal status if they had a clean permanent record and were under the age of 35.

For some, that age sounds too high — people who are in their 30s may no longer be students, whom the bill is theoretically meant to help. But Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the chief sponsor of the bill, said in October he wants to help those the bill was initially aimed at when it first came up in 2001 — some of whom may now be reaching the upper age limits of the bill.

If the bill is delayed, future efforts could raise the upper age cutoff — at the risk of losing some votes — or would no longer benefit those immigrants, some of whom have been advocating for the bill for years.

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Anonymous
Comment posted November 15, 2010 @ 11:01 pm

There is no reason why this bill should not pass, we have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Those against it are just stubborn, these students were raised in America. Plus this bill wont give them anything since this IS NOT AN AMNESTY, all it does is give them a CHANCE to EARN legal status.


Rodney James
Comment posted November 15, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

Just great! This will create massive amounts of enlistment, and with the added benefit of students graduating and creating jobs, there will be a surge of tax money coming in. I really do hope that this passes, it will shut those conservatives up about their “so-called” ideals, when these teens and young adults pay for the burdens of the bush era.


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Christian in Austin
Comment posted November 15, 2010 @ 11:41 pm

Let’s hope the DREAM Act passes!


Anonymous
Comment posted November 15, 2010 @ 11:55 pm

The repugs are not worried about the american people. They have the propaganda machine at FOX and the unlimited flow of dollars from the US Chamber and friends. The Dream act is social justice and should pass. There are no “inferior” persons in the US. The founders set the principles of equality, it is up to each generation to defend that principle against all enemies, both foreign and demestic. It is time to take the count.


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Monkeyd8892
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 2:49 am

lol why do people have to assume that all illegals do here is sell drugs and rape and kill and commit crimes?

why do all people assume all illegals are mexican? and that they all come from mexico?

you want to know why? because were dumb and ignorant, and we will always be followers and not leaders. We listen to people talk on the news about how some illegal shot up some guy, yet as that is being reported someone is being mugged by an American citizen down the alley yelling for help.

so why is it that people pin down all crimes on the illegals and not the actual citizens who commit them? because the news media needs something new to talk about, people get bored and aren’t phased by crimes being committed by the same black or white gang members. So what does the news media do? find a new source of fear and hate, and they start tracking down other means of news and unfortunatly their pinning it down on illegal immigrants, who by watching the media become frightful and stop reporting crimes bringing the crime rate up, the news media pins it down to illegals and what do the rest of the people do? follow the news and dont even bother to do their reasearch.

Why do all people assume illegals are Mexican? let me tell you because of racial profiling, its been around for hundreds of years. Its always been the blacks and hispanics that have suffered, and you know why? because we get more sun in our skin the half of the world does making us different from the rest. Immigrations shouldn’t be pinned down to only Mexicans, there are other immigratns too, people who come from france, Italy, Germany, China, Japan, India, Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil, Honduras, Canada and the list goes on, so why is it that people come to believe that they all come down from Mexico, because if you think about it when someone hears immigrant, people automaticly think Mexican which is a case of racial profiling. Why cant you assume illegal immigrants come from Canada? we share a 45th degree border with Canada, so why is it that all immigrants are Mexicans?

People are ignorant and don’t think for themselves, they let themselves be taken in by rumors and news media before doing any research, you guys have to think next time you speak because all those rumors you hear about all Illegals being mexican are not true.


Billytheheretic
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:05 am

No more Mexicans. We’re full. Go home.


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Shutuprightnow
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:21 am

We’re also full of ignorant-racist whites.

Go home to England, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, wherever…Billy.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:37 am

The Dream Act is a noble cause, but would result in more illegal immigration. Even more illegal immigrants will come here and have babies in the Emergency Roon (for free) and soak up all the social benefits available.

Americans arn’t feeling very generous. Far too many of us are unemployed and millions of us are losing our homes. I believe most Americans oppose this.

The proper way to pass this, is to first secure the border and pass E-verify.


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Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

Reagans amnesty was the amnesty to end all amnesties!!! I remember!!! Dream Act is just another amnesty. NO MORE!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

What Mexican native tongue is Spanish? Just curious. Guess you are descended of Europeans also!!! Go back to the country you own. We won this one in battle.


June
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

The insanity continues. How about we let bank robbers have another shot. Give them 30 minutes to go through the bank vaults and gather up as many bill as he can. Whatever he can carry, he gets to keep. These people do not even belong here. Why are they getting these benefits? Give all illegals 30 days to leave, if not they get to build the strongest fence the world has ever seen, then back it up with amed military. We are losing our country, way of life and many times our lives with the invasion from south of the border. Why?


levotb
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:44 pm

It IS an Amnesty, ImpactEd! Whether a person was raised here is besides the fact. Most have not assimilated as their parents refuse to learn and speak Engleesh in the home. Moreover, the parents and hence their children’s (anchor babies’) allegiance is to Mexico or whatever country they came from, not to the USA. Ask yourself this question: Why should U.S. taxpayers be funding ANYTHING to do with Border jumpers and visa overstayers? Answer: We shouldn’t and we won’t!


Dlee920123
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

most of the undocumented students were brought here when they couldn’t even speak. Yes, they really had the choice to “rob” the bank. Maybe you don’t know what DREAM act is.

Must have entered the United States before the age of 16
Must have been present in the United States for at least five
consecutive years prior to enactment of the bill
Must have graduated from a United States high school, or
have obtained a GED, or have been accepted into an
institution of higher education
Must be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of
application
MUST HAVE GOOD MORAL CHARACTER
we are not giving any “bank robbers” a chance to rob a bank. we are giving an equal opportunity to those students who love this country(knows only of this country), who are full of potentials, who have family, friends, and a community, AND have good moral character. HOW are we losing our country?


Dlee920123
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

most of the undocumented students were brought here when they couldn’t even speak. Yes, they really had the choice to “rob” the bank. Maybe you don’t know what DREAM act is.

Must have entered the United States before the age of 16
Must have been present in the United States for at least five
consecutive years prior to enactment of the bill
Must have graduated from a United States high school, or
have obtained a GED, or have been accepted into an
institution of higher education
Must be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of
application
MUST HAVE GOOD MORAL CHARACTER
we are not giving any “bank robbers” a chance to rob a bank. we are giving an equal opportunity to those students who love this country(knows only of this country), who are full of potentials, who have family, friends, and a community, AND have good moral character. HOW are we losing our country?


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

-_-? Dude! An amnesty just gives every illegal legal status, the Dream Act does not do that. Also many illegal aliens do pay taxes, oh and by the way most of the people that can benefit from the Dream Act HAVE ASSIMILATED. Your just spewing random incorrect things, also the Dream Act wont just apply to those who were born in Mexico? It applies to the innocent from any nation who were brought here through no fault of their own.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

-_-? Dude! An amnesty just gives every illegal legal status, the Dream Act does not do that. Also many illegal aliens do pay taxes, oh and by the way most of the people that can benefit from the Dream Act HAVE ASSIMILATED. Your just spewing random incorrect things, also the Dream Act wont just apply to those who were born in Mexico? It applies to the innocent from any nation who were brought here through no fault of their own.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

They were brought here through no fault of our own (tax-paying citizens) also.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:00 pm

They were brought here through no fault of our own (tax-paying citizens) also.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

Tell the out of state students in Cali. who are paying out of state tuition how fair it is for illegals in that state to get in-state tuition. Tell us how illegals cost us nothing. The California supreme court just ruled that it is ok to give illegals California in state tuition. Wonder how much this costs the California tax-payers? What a joke!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:35 pm

Tell the out of state students in Cali. who are paying out of state tuition how fair it is for illegals in that state to get in-state tuition. Tell us how illegals cost us nothing. The California supreme court just ruled that it is ok to give illegals California in state tuition. Wonder how much this costs the California tax-payers? What a joke!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

Regardless, we have to do something about it. We must not bundle up the innocent immigrants and the criminals


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

Regardless, we have to do something about it. We must not bundle up the innocent immigrants and the criminals


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:58 pm

Let’s PRAY it doesn’t!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:58 pm

Let’s PRAY it doesn’t!!!


Edharris
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

Let’s pray that this un-american nightmare act is never passed and ends up at the bottom of a deep pit where it belongs.

Deport all illegals in our country NOW! All 30-40 million of you!

Si se pueda deportiva ahora!

Seize all assets and belongs sell then at public auction to pay for some of the costs to do this. Build the damn fence.


Edharris
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:07 pm

Let’s pray that this un-american nightmare act is never passed and ends up at the bottom of a deep pit where it belongs.

Deport all illegals in our country NOW! All 30-40 million of you!

Si se pueda deportiva ahora!

Seize all assets and belongs sell then at public auction to pay for some of the costs to do this. Build the damn fence.


Anna
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:21 pm

Did you ever think that undocumented people pay taxes too? And that maybe people who have lived here since they were two deserve in-state tuition?


Anna
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:21 pm

Did you ever think that undocumented people pay taxes too? And that maybe people who have lived here since they were two deserve in-state tuition?


Anna
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

DREAM Act NOW!!!!


Anna
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:24 pm

DREAM Act NOW!!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

WE CAN ENFORCE OUR LAWS!!! E-Verify is here. Real ID is coming. WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS IT IS HIGH TIME WE ENFORCE THEM!!! NO MORE UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

WE CAN ENFORCE OUR LAWS!!! E-Verify is here. Real ID is coming. WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS IT IS HIGH TIME WE ENFORCE THEM!!! NO MORE UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

Innocent immigrants come in legally


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:47 pm

Innocent immigrants come in legally


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

DREAM ACT NEVER EVER EVER!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:25 pm

DREAM ACT NEVER EVER EVER!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:26 pm

Illegal aliens never deserve in-state tuition……


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:26 pm

Illegal aliens never deserve in-state tuition……


Keanolo
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

Hey pendejo, most illegal aliens are Mexican because the statistics simply prove that 80% are indeed just that. The data indicates about 11 million ilegal alien Mexicans reside in this country. The contiguous 2000 mule border between the UsA and Mexiico facilitates facilitates the entry of illegal alien Mexicans into this country. They fill our jails and prison, overload our hospitals and welfare institutions and steal eduction dollars which are in short supply for many American kids. As far as the illegals from India Ireland or Russia et al, Heck yes we want them all deported too. This is about the law not race.


Keanolo
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

Hey pendejo, most illegal aliens are Mexican because the statistics simply prove that 80% are indeed just that. The data indicates about 11 million ilegal alien Mexicans reside in this country. The contiguous 2000 mule border between the UsA and Mexiico facilitates facilitates the entry of illegal alien Mexicans into this country. They fill our jails and prison, overload our hospitals and welfare institutions and steal eduction dollars which are in short supply for many American kids. As far as the illegals from India Ireland or Russia et al, Heck yes we want them all deported too. This is about the law not race.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

so the small children are criminals right?


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

so the small children are criminals right?


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:24 pm

Oh yeah because those things have been working fine.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:24 pm

Oh yeah because those things have been working fine.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

If there was ever a time to try it is NOW!!! DUDE!!! We are broke and melting pot has boiled over!!! Thousands keep coming over. I am sure this government will do a good job of investigating those eligible for the Dream Act. Something tells me all of the sudden millions will be eligible. Jose will lie and Pedro will swear to it. I have been here forever HONEST!!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:42 pm

If there was ever a time to try it is NOW!!! DUDE!!! We are broke and melting pot has boiled over!!! Thousands keep coming over. I am sure this government will do a good job of investigating those eligible for the Dream Act. Something tells me all of the sudden millions will be eligible. Jose will lie and Pedro will swear to it. I have been here forever HONEST!!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:47 pm

Thirty Five years old is middle aged DUDE!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:47 pm

Thirty Five years old is middle aged DUDE!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

then do the math!
-must have been here for atleast 5 years
-be here before the age of 16
hmmm, we can safely assume that a 35 year old has been here for umm IDK 19 years.
Plus it would only apply to those who already went to college (,but can not use their degree to get a job) because lets face it. IF YOUR 35 and have not done atleast 2 years of college then you cant do 2 years worth of college in one year.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

then do the math!
-must have been here for atleast 5 years
-be here before the age of 16
hmmm, we can safely assume that a 35 year old has been here for umm IDK 19 years.
Plus it would only apply to those who already went to college (,but can not use their degree to get a job) because lets face it. IF YOUR 35 and have not done atleast 2 years of college then you cant do 2 years worth of college in one year.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

According to DreamActivist (a credible site) less than 100,000 would benefit. Plus they would need legitimate proof DUH! A school record would suffice, the process would be very rigorous and precise.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

And who is going to do the research? The same people who have allowed illegals to work even on military installations in this country? Your argument is pretty lame DUDE!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

And who is going to do the research? The same people who have allowed illegals to work even on military installations in this country? Your argument is pretty lame DUDE!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:15 pm

How would I know! The bill has not passed DUDE! Once the bill is passed the proper authorities will handle the process. It was stated that border patrol agents would get involved in the process. Your logic is pretty lame DUDE!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:15 pm

How would I know! The bill has not passed DUDE! Once the bill is passed the proper authorities will handle the process. It was stated that border patrol agents would get involved in the process. Your logic is pretty lame DUDE!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

Yeah like Napolitano is watching over our border. We are telling our citizens to stay away from points south of AZ interstate. I am sure Obowma and his admin. will rubber stamp anything for his FUTURE DEMOCRATS!!! The rest of us are sick and tired of it. This is not going to go.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:17 pm

Yeah like Napolitano is watching over our border. We are telling our citizens to stay away from points south of AZ interstate. I am sure Obowma and his admin. will rubber stamp anything for his FUTURE DEMOCRATS!!! The rest of us are sick and tired of it. This is not going to go.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

Our border patrol is already overwhelmed. They admit they catch maybe one out of three illegals coming across TOPS. They need something else to deal with like they need more miles of border.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

Our border patrol is already overwhelmed. They admit they catch maybe one out of three illegals coming across TOPS. They need something else to deal with like they need more miles of border.


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Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:41 pm

Dude you are getting way off topic, I am not talking about Napolitano, not Obama, or even what the job entitles for Border Patrol Agents. It seems to be that you oppose the Dream Act (what this page is actually about) because you are just angry at what is going on around the issue of immigration. I am just here to say that I support the Dream Act because it is by far the best option that has been proposed to date. It is not an Amnesty, it only applies to the good guys, and we have economic and social benefits to benefit from.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:41 pm

Dude you are getting way off topic, I am not talking about Napolitano, not Obama, or even what the job entitles for Border Patrol Agents. It seems to be that you oppose the Dream Act (what this page is actually about) because you are just angry at what is going on around the issue of immigration. I am just here to say that I support the Dream Act because it is by far the best option that has been proposed to date. It is not an Amnesty, it only applies to the good guys, and we have economic and social benefits to benefit from.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

You are lumping the criminals and the innocent together. That makes you IGNORANT. Lean some common decency


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:43 pm

You are lumping the criminals and the innocent together. That makes you IGNORANT. Lean some common decency


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:56 pm

And I am happy to let you know that myself and many others are going to fight tooth and nail against this travesty. And there are many of us. I think the House just had their posteriors handed to them and if they want to see another one in the Senate all they have to do is aggravate some more of us. Dream Act is an amnesty anyway you cut it. End of conversation Dreamie. I will deal with my reps through http://www.numbersusa.com.. Talking to you is like talking to the wall.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 11:56 pm

And I am happy to let you know that myself and many others are going to fight tooth and nail against this travesty. And there are many of us. I think the House just had their posteriors handed to them and if they want to see another one in the Senate all they have to do is aggravate some more of us. Dream Act is an amnesty anyway you cut it. End of conversation Dreamie. I will deal with my reps through http://www.numbersusa.com.. Talking to you is like talking to the wall.


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Anonymous
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:07 am

Whatever haha, you obviously haven’t read the bill (like most Conservatives). Well my fellow American I support your efforts for your beliefs =P I just hope you are truly fighting against the Dream Act because you oppose the bill and not because you oppose immigration as a whole. Regardless, I support the Dream Act and even Healthcare (or as Republicans call it “ObamaCare”) simply because I just saw the movie SICKO. (ignorance is bliss I guess)


Anonymous
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:07 am

Whatever haha, you obviously haven’t read the bill (like most Conservatives). Well my fellow American I support your efforts for your beliefs =P I just hope you are truly fighting against the Dream Act because you oppose the bill and not because you oppose immigration as a whole. Regardless, I support the Dream Act and even Healthcare (or as Republicans call it “ObamaCare”) simply because I just saw the movie SICKO. (ignorance is bliss I guess)


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Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:39 am

You must be very happy then!!!


Sterco7
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:39 am

You must be very happy then!!!


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I think the dream act is a great bill. We already educated these kids k-12. they must graduate high school or get a ged. and must have been in the country before the age of 16 for 5 years or more. I personally know a few kids who consider themselves american in every way except for they don’t have that magical nine digit number. They grew up here, speak english, live here, made their lives here. So what are they to do when they get older? Go back home to where they’re from? When all their whole life is here. The bill also states that after the 5 year mark of temporary residence status they have to proof that they got an associates degree or attended the military. If they didn’t do either one of those things, then they will be subject to deportation. So it encourages them to either do one or the other. I believe that America always does the right thing and I’m hoping that the Dream Act passes. I also have another idea. Once the dream act passes, why don’t they repeal the law that DOESN’T allow k-12 schools to check the child’s immigration status. That way no more illegal children can be educated and that way their parents won’t bring them here. This could cause alot of discrimination though. It’s a catch 22. As for the children that are currently attending k-12 they would be “grandfathered” in.


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Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 8:41 am

At 52, I was a lifelong Democrat. Last week I voted straight Republican. I am fully against the DREAM ACT and I am not a racist. That claim is race baiting. I support repeal of the 14th amendment. I demand that laws against illegal aliens in the workplace are finally enforced. It is a lie that Americans would not take farm jobs. Remember the novel Grapes of Wrath? There are many “green party” folks who would love to work on the land. They would report pesticide violations unlike those under threat of arrest as aliens. Marijuana should be made legal. It drains our economy. The money leads to deaths in Mexico. I am sick of all of the hypocrisy. We need a new Republican party that combines the conservatives and the GREEN progressives. The common denominator would be honesty and grass roots American values and common sense. Lets take back America. Stop the DREAM ACT, repeal the 14th amendment, legalize marijuana, stop the drain on the economy.

The Democrats are kissing the behinds of the Latino voting block. It was this voting block that tipped the scales and reelected Harry Reid and that blocked legalization of marijuana in California. Wake up progressives. Lets join with the common sense members of the Tea Party and take back America from the Democrats. We need a new approach to politics. We need leaders from the old hippy movement, who are actually full of grass roots common sense, and they need to merge with the conservative progressives. We have to start somewhere!!!!!!


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Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

Illegal immigrants can always get in line with other foreigners to apply for citizenship. Based on illegals’ conduct: tax evasion, identity theft, draining of our Social Security retirement funds through abuse of our welfare system, taking advantage of our health care system, there is no reason to even consider another amnesty.


Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

you are hella annoying. stop commenting on every comments if you have nothing important to say. you give me a headache. damn


LeavingCali
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 6:34 am

Students that have been in the States for almost 18 years, and they nor their families could work towards their citizenship during that time?

There are immigrants who want to be a part of America and immigrants who want to leech off America. If you’re here for 10 +years without even thinking about legal citizenship, you’re leeching off America. Let’s call this the Dream On Act….


LeavingCali
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 6:41 am

“You are lumping the criminals and the innocent together. That makes you ignorant.”

Who is innocent? The parents? The whole family who’ve been in America for 10+ yrs without even thinking about becoming a legal citizen? When the parent commits a crime, the children suffer. It’s like that even for citizens.

Maybe the parents should think about their crimes before it effects the children. I think it’s IGNORANT to go to a country to live and NOT work toward citizenship or assimilate into THEIR culture. You don’t go to a foreign country and make demands. That’s ignorant.


LeavingCali
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 6:43 am

shutup…your own ignorance is showing. Read a book.


LeavingCali
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 6:45 am

Daniel…sterco has points to make and I agree with them, like most people who live in the SW border states.

If you don’t live where the negative effects of illegal immigration THRIVE, you have NO IDEA what you’re talking about.


LeavingCali
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 6:46 am

When parents commit crimes, the children suffer.

Maybe the parents shouldn’t be committing crimes.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 7:19 am

It’s ignorant not to take into consideration all of the families who entered legally, but could not get permanent legal status due to a broken system. It’s also ignorant not to take into consideration that for these young adults there is no path which is why the Dream Act is needed (and for other reasons as well). They could apply for legal status, but they would have to return to their place of birth and wait out a 10 ban required by law before applying and by that time they would be back at square one.Like you said who is innocent? Those who did nothing wrong obviously!


Anonymous
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 7:22 am

The Dream Act does not give anyone anything besides a chance to earn legal status (not residency or citizenship until after a 5-6 year process).
Less than 100,000 is estimated to actually be able to benefit from the bill according to DreamActivist.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 7:30 am

Good point, but it cannot be ignored (It has been 10 years since the bill was first introduced)
The Dream Act does have Economic Benefits and yes I completely agree, we need to find a way to secure our borders. E-verify however, passed a long time ago (atleast here in AZ it did).
As far as our unemployment problem goes, there are plenty of farm jobs (over 80% of our nations crops are picked by illegal immigrants, and for harsh wages even though some do pay taxes).

Statistics wise, many surveys and studies have been issued and over 70% of Americans have no problem with the bill. You can find this on americasvoiceonline.org where i found this excerpt

“The DREAM Act is supported by 70 percent of likely voters and by leaders in education, the military, business and religious orders.

A national poll of 1,008 adults, conducted by Opinion Research Corporation for First Focus in June 2010, shows that support cuts across regional and party lines with 70 percent overall support, 60% support from Republicans and 80% support from Democrats.

University presidents and educational associations, as well as military recruiters, business and religious leaders have called on Congress to pass the DREAM Act.”

I hope the bill passes, but if it doesnt I hope it is because our leaders are trying to fix other urgent causes.


Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 9:48 pm

im sorry for the negative reply.
i do live in california but i do not see any negative effects of illegal immigration. can you let me know. thanks


Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

you are admitting here that these children are innocent. it is the parents’ fault. so why should we let the “innocent children” suffer when we dont have to. that’s what DREAM Act is for. its not for the parents who came here illegally and brought them here.
its good for US and THEM. YAY they have so much in store


Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 11:00 pm

even if there are many negative effects of illegal immigration, what’s so negative about passing the DREAM Act???? does passing this add more to the “negative effects”? it will only benefit us. these students have so much in store for America. they are talented, have a good moral character, and smart. they have so much to contribute to our society.


Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 11:21 pm

if your mom beat you up everyday when you were 3, should they put you in jail with her because you got beat up by her? NO :Child protective service. Children shouldn’t sssssuffer because of their parents! that is ridiculous!
the children doesn’t have to suffer if DREAM Act passes. why do we have to let them suffer because of the thing their parents did? Dream act is acting like the child protective services.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 19, 2010 @ 1:09 pm

Or what are you going to hold your breath and kick until your face turns purple?


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Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 20, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

what are you talking about??


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Brian
Comment posted November 22, 2010 @ 6:37 am

Do any Of u anti American idiots know your history
When the citizenship is worthless empires, cultures and complete ways of life fall

Rome didn’t fall because it was over taken it fell because the people got tired of defending it. Apathy , the killer of nations


Sterco7
Comment posted November 22, 2010 @ 10:39 pm

Hey IDim I am talking about you stifiling my conversation. If you do that you are hella annoying.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 3:17 am

When they really DO start using enforcement it will work. PROVEN


Anonymous
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 3:29 am

If we did that then we would make our economy over TEN times worst. Over 80% of our nations crops are picked by illegal immigrants.

YOU ARE AN IGNORANT DUMBASS


Anonymous
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 3:32 am

Really? Then how come the government does not deport all of the farmworkers that are illegal, they know where they are yet they do nothing. HMMMM maybe thats because if we deport them all we will go broke getting them out plus our AGRICULTURAL sector would DIE since over 80% of our nations crops are picked by illegal immigrants.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 3:34 am

We are only talking about the kids who grew up here, if they were to go through the legal way they would have to leave the country and wait 10 years before even thinking of applying for a Visa.

Plus should we not get a return on the investment we’ve made?


Anonymous
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 3:36 am

You are bundling all illegal immigrants together, not all of them are criminals and some do pay taxes. Regardless, the Dream Act is only for those that should not be blamed as in those that want to contribute to America. By the way you should read the actual Bill, that way you can find out that this bill is not an amnesty.


RobertOates
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 5:34 pm

I am for the dream act but here are some facts facts facts facts google it for your self 25americans killed 600women raped 7children molested every single day by ileagle invaders now just think what if the ileagles did not come here 25americans alive 600women wil not have to know what it is to have sex with a mexican 7children will be able to have fun all day long google it google it google it


Daniel Lee
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 10:23 pm

alright. ignored.


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Lupita_17_latina
Comment posted November 29, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

In reality u americans do not kno what u are talking about! Us as immigrants do have a huge potential than none of u have idea.. We all pay taxes, we kill our souls working and studying, paying a social security that we are not going to claim! I call for the Dream Act NOW!!! You will erealize we can contribute to the country in economy, sicial, and defense plus mmuch more. Wait until u see how u climb and you who ignored the potential of us, You are gonna be working for us! Not to be mean but if u as citizen decide to be an ignorant we dont!


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Comment posted November 29, 2010 @ 3:35 pm

In reality u americans do not kno what u are talking about! Us as immigrants do have a huge potential than none of u have idea.. We all pay taxes, we kill our souls working and studying, paying a social security that we are not going to claim! I call for the Dream Act NOW!!! You will erealize we can contribute to the country in economy, sicial, and defense plus mmuch more. Wait until u see how u climb and you who ignored the potential of us, You are gonna be working for us! Not to be mean but if u as citizen decide to be an ignorant we dont!


Carrie
Comment posted November 30, 2010 @ 12:47 am

let’s pass the dream act and encourage those who are here illegally, and will stay regardless of whether it passes or not, to get educated and be productive members..as opposed to just squeking by on low wages and draining the system they can put into the system what we all are doing now.


Sterco7
Comment posted November 30, 2010 @ 6:04 pm

Obviously when we review Lupita’s post we can see what a literate educated asset she would be to our society. These are the bright young minds we are going to deal with? I rest my case.


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You can’t be serious! You sound incredibly ignorant. Educated people, Hispanic or not, will NEVER work for anyone like you. You can’t even write/spell. You must be the product of the California public school system that has been drained by illegal immigrants and can no longer focus on providing quality education.


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