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GOP aims to bolster immigration enforcement, but little change is likely

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Thursday, November 04, 2010 at 6:00 am

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) is expected to push for heavy immigration enforcement as chairman of the House immigration subcommittee next session. (Tina Fultz/ZUMApress.com)

During his campaign for the presidency in 2008, Barack Obama made the now-broken promise to Latino supporters that he would pass comprehensive immigration reform in his first year as president. But in remarks to the press on Wednesday, after Republicans took control of the House and won back several seats in the Senate, talk of immigration reform was noticeably absent.

[Immigration1] Democrats will still hold a majority in both chambers during the lame-duck session, when leaders hope to pass the DREAM Act to give some undocumented young people and military service members legal status. But after January, immigration reform efforts that include paths to legal status for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants currently in the United States seem next to impossible, meaning the next few years will see little progress for immigration reform advocates.

“The new leaders of the House have made it clear that they’re going to continue to push an enforcement-only strategy,” said Mary Giovagnoli, director of pro-reform Immigration Policy Center. “It’s going to be a hard couple of years.”

The Republicans ushered into power in the midterms favor tight border security, strict enforcement and policies that would allow states, along with the federal government, to police immigration. Many campaigned on hard-line immigration positions that cost them support among Latinos, but won backing from the broad segments of the population that approve of illegal immigration crackdowns like Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law.

In short, Republicans who won on Tuesday hold radically different views on tackling illegal immigration from the president and Senate Democrats. Prospects are bleak for anyone who hopes to see meaningful change on immigration policy: A Democratic Senate will have trouble getting immigrant-friendly measures past the House, while the House will have trouble getting enforcement-only measures past the Senate — or the president’s desk. The result will likely be more of the same on immigration policy.

There are a few areas where Republicans have brought forth proposals to reform the immigration system. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who is expected to take over as chairman of the House’s immigration subcommittee, plans use his leadership position to call in Obama administration officials and question them on immigration enforcement, claiming “they’re not enforcing the laws.”

It’s a common argument from Republicans, who have repeatedly accused the Obama administration of taking a lax approach. After reports that immigration courts were throwing out deportation cases for illegal immigrants who were deemed non-dangerous or had pending citizenship applications, the seven current Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano demanding to know how much it would cost to find and deport every illegal immigrant in the country.

“[Immigration and Customs Enforcement] has cited a lack of resources as one of the reasons for its prioritization of cases and for its selective enforcement,” the Oct. 21 letter reads. “But to date, we have not seen any efforts by ICE, your Department, or the Administration to request an increase in ICE funding. … As a result, it appears that your Department is doing the very thing that we have raised concerns about in several letters – allowing illegal aliens to evade the law.”

If Republicans attempt to force increased immigration enforcement, it would require a huge increase in funding for ICE. The agency currently receives $2.6 billion from Congress each year to detain and remove illegal immigrants. ICE Chief John Morton says this budget allows the agency to deport about 400,000 people per year — a number it approaching this year. Deporting the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, then, could cost as much as $70 billion.

Of course, most Republicans don’t advocate a deportation-only method to decreasing illegal immigration numbers in the country. GOP members also say they hope to pass legislation to eliminate possible incentives for foreigners to stay in the country by cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, eliminating the few social services illegal immigrants can receive and in some cases even eliminating citizenship for children born in the country to undocumented parents.

A GOP-led initiative to end birthright citizenship for U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants under the 14th Amendment received support from 95 House members in 2009, although the bill never made it out of committee. Instead of attempting to amend the Constitution, the bill would create a statute limiting citizenship to children with at least one parent in the country legally.

King plans to push for the bill again in the next session of Congress, where support for the measure will be even stronger. King insists the bill is both legal and necessary to stop the “anchor baby” phenomenon — the idea that illegal immigrants come to America and have children in order to gain legal status — which most immigration experts agree does not exist because citizens cannot petition for legal status for their families until they are adults.

Expanding E-Verify, a controversial program that allows employers to check the immigration status of potential employees, is another likely priority for the Republican-led House. Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), who is expected to head the Judiciary Committee, co-sponsored a bill to make use of E-Verify mandatory for all employers. (Federal agencies and contractors are already required to use the program.)

Of course, House Republicans cannot enact any laws without the support of Obama or the Democratic-controlled Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is unlikely to risk angering Latino voters by passing enforcement-only immigration measures. But even if it means gridlock, House leaders seem committed to blocking comprehensive immigration reform.

“The best solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to enforce current laws,” Smith told the Chicago Tribune last week. “Attrition through enforcement can reduce the number of illegal immigrants already in the U.S.”

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Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

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Patriot
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 7:04 pm

Amnesty only encourages more illegal immigration. In 1986 approximately 3 million illegal immigrants received amnesty. We are now looking at 20 million. If illegal immigrants are rewarded with amnesty again, the next wave will start to line up waiting for the next amnesty. We need to secure our borders, enforce our current immigration laws and make E-verify mandatory.


edweirdness
Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 7:17 pm

Liberals insist on asserting that enforcing our immigration laws will be prohibitively expensive. Pragmatically speaking this isn't really true. Stepped up enforcement, and attrition through enforcement would all have significant reductive effect on the overall costs. As more illegal aliens are returned to the native countries, the costs decline. Employers sanctions, matching letters, eliminating the jobs and benefits magnets would doubtless account for most illegals as they would be constrained to self deport. Further, asset forfeiture, a common law enforcement practice for crimes ranging from moving violations, to simple code infractions, to drug dealing could be applied to the illegals and their employers, thus offsetting a substantial amount of the costs to identify, detain and deport illegal aliens. Indeed, the prospect of losing the 'ill-gotten gains' that they violated our borders, committed employment fraud or mortgage fraud to obtain, might act as a substantial incentive for even more illegals to leave. Employers facing the loss of trucks, cars, tools, real estate, buildings, would doubtless rethink their choices to hire illegals and return to competing for the American workers they need. As more and more illegal aliens are removed or depart voluntarily, the problem of affordable housing in many communities, the tax burdens for education, health care, crime, pollution, associated with a substantial illegal population also decline, and would also help offset the costs of identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens. The social costs of maintaining a large population of illegal aliens would decline as their numbers in the population decline. The costs associated with identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens would be a one time cost, and not the continually escalating social costs of maintaining an egregious and growing population of illegal aliens.

We should also recognize the benefits of allowing state and local law enforcement to act in situations where their normal duties bring them into contact with illegal aliens. Doing so would provide a tremendous force multiplier for BP and INS, and since taxpayers are already being dinged for the costs of their local and state law enforcement, this would expand our enforcement capabilities with no appreciable additional costs. As more illegals are removed, more employers will feel constrained to compete for American workers. Competition for workers raises the wages and benefits, ergo more money circulates through our economy. Any employer that asserts his business will suffer if forced to compete for legal American workers lacks the management skills, the products and service necessary to remain an ongoing concern anyway. Certainly such businesses should not continue to operate at the expense of American workers and taxpayers.


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Comment posted November 4, 2010 @ 8:44 pm

Really, try it… but try it very hard there are only 11 millons of immigrants…those are the guys that do the jobs that lazy fat americans like you dont want to do..while you are eating your mcdonalds crap we are working .. :)


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Tim
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:24 am

Netto, Why are you such and American hating racist?


Tim
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:27 am

In 2012 Americans will finish cleaning up DC and removing illegals and their children.

Elise, where did you learn to write propoganda like this?


edgar
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:32 am

The author gets a lot of things wrong.

First, in order for Democrats to get support for legalization of 12 million illegal immigrants (amnesty), they have to attach it to various pro-enforcement messures, (border wall, border agents, E-verify, etc). They now that the American people do not support amnesty, thus they put lipstick on the amnesty pig, so the American people can swallow it.

The same is not true for republicans who support an enforcement approach. All they need to do is pass enforcement bills, and the Democrats will have to pass them or they will be branded as being pro-illegal, or holding an enforcement bill hostage in order to give amensty to millions of illegals. That message will kill de Dems in 2012. They know it, and the GOP knows it. Therefore, the GOP will try to expose the Dems as being more interested in giving amnesty to illegal immigrants than protecting our borders from drug smugglers and protecting our jobs from illegal immigrants and illegal employers.


Edgar
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 3:25 am

To add, just look at what happened during the last Congress. The Republicans pushed a bill to increase enforcement at the border (1,200 troops and funding for the border wall) and the Dems had no choice but to support it and Obama sign it. When pinned to the wall, Democrat Congressmen will vote in favor of enforcement without amnesty.


ZOO
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 3:29 am

This is all mish-mash. Why does congress need to set an immigration “policy” when whomever is in the White House (Obama or Bush) can reduce enforcement at will? Napolitano throws out “lack of resources” as a cover, and with several states wanting to crack down on their own which would spread the financial burden. It's all double talk. Most Americans have had enough of this, and several states are moving toward control of the situation. It is inconceivable that the Supreme court will rule that Arizona cannot defend and protect its residents and sovereignty, and when it is ruled that states' rights take precedent the swarming of the country will begin to reverse.


Bill
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 3:31 am

Learn what you can do to help stop illegal immigration. Get involved with a MILLION other people. HERE'S HOW: http://www.numbersusa.com/content/action.html


jeremiah
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 4:54 am

we have a trillion dollar deficit. why spend billions to deport undocumented workers and rip families apart. why not legalize them so they can pay taxes properly, fine them $3000 payable in 3 years in exchange for a green card. the math is $3000×20,000,000 illegals is equal to 60 billion dollars. The money can go to border patrol salaries.


Tim
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 6:03 am

Guess you didn't bother to read the article, Republicans (and Americans) want illegals to self-deport by taking away their jobs and benefits, and want to entice the entire family to leave together.

Your math leaves out that a minimum wage illegal with their average five children receives $50,000 more a year in benefits than they pay in taxes, for a total cost to American taxpayers of $300 billion A YEAR! Make each illegal pay a $500,000 fine then you might have a case.


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Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 12:57 pm

typical liberal response….if you have nothing of substance to say, make a disparaging remark or do a 'Joy Behar'….LOL


Dave
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:00 pm

There are many more than 11 million illegal aliens (NOT immigrants!) in the US. The more likely number, though no one can say for certain, is 20 million-plus.

I'll outline how I get that figure in a separate post.


June
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:14 pm

Seems like Jeremiah is okay with putting illegals on the “path to citizenship” before people who've applied correctly. The “rip families apart” state,emt is meaninless. They ripped their own families when they left home to break into this country. No one has made a sane argument on why we need illegals in this county. As soon as they present false documents, give fake names or stolen IDs, they are felons. Do we need a country of criminals? We have millions of unemployed Americans, a million plus legal immigrants and the many refugees that this country takes in who are in need of jobs. Why in heaven's name do we need those who laugh at our law and think they are entitled to this country's benefits?


Dave
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:41 pm

A more accurate number of illegal aliens present in the US is closer to 20-million. Here's how I get there -

Start with the year of the Reagan amnesty, 1986, and go until his year – you get 24 years.

The US government estimates that between 3-4 million people enter the US illegally – this includes those who enter legally, but overstay their visa.

So, 24 (years) times 3 million equals 72 M(illion), or times 4 equals 96M.

The Border Patrol (and ICE) remove/deport about 1M each year.

This comes to (1M x 24Y) 24M illegal aliens, which brings the number down to either 48M or 72M still remaining in the country.

Pro-illegal alien support groups claim that 1M aliens 'self-deport' each year, so this further reduces the number to either 24M or 48M (1M x 24Y).

I've been told that my numbers don't take into account people who are deported and come back again, and I'm willing to agree to that; I would estimate the number of re-entry's at 10-20%, so the effect on my 24-48M figure is to further lower the estimate to 20-40M illegals.

Bottom line, while no one can really know the number of illegal aliens who are in the country, my simplistic math makes sense (at least to me). I will offer that even I do not believe that there are 40M illegals aliens currently in the US – but feel that 20M is a very reasonable estimate.

Remember that barely 5 years ago, the 'official' estimate was given as 3-5 million, then revisd upward to 8M, then quietly raised to 'between 8-10M', and recently the figure 13M has been offered up. The current 'official' total as per the Pew Hispanic Center is touted as 10.8M, but I think that this number is intentionally low – because the US public would never support any form of amnesty for 20-plus MILLION illegal aliens.

You can agree with my 'quesstimate' or not, makes no matter to me – but there are more illegal aliens in the US than anyone is willing to admit.

Oh, and every time that the word amnesty is mentioned by the media , the number of illegal aliens who enter the US rises.


Dave
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:50 pm

First, in accordance with US immigration law, a FINE can be 'mitigated' – which means that the person being fined can claim that the fine would present an undue financial hardship and the fine is reduced to a lower amount or even ZERO. Given that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens earn less than the poverty-level wage, they would most likely not pay a fine at all.

Second, again in reference to their lower wages, most of them would actually qualify for a tax refund and given the significant amount of fraud involving SSNs and cash wages, it is impossible to verify what their wages vs. tax payments would be.

Additionally, as soon as they are legalized, they become eligible for public assistance. There's no way to calculate the effect – but it won't be good.

Bottom line, legalizing 20-plus million illegal aliens would cost, not save, BILLIONS.


Patty
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 1:58 pm

Yes, we have to enforce current immigration laws. We open our doors to over 3 million legal immigrants each year. That is too many people. We have to reduce that number. Having said that, we do not need more people here. We have to let all illegal aliens and potential illegal aliens know that we do not accept their illegal actions and that we do not condonce their illegal action. We must enforce current immigration laws. No amnesty. Never. Overpopulation is not good for any country.


Dave
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 2:14 pm

This discussion is not complete without bringing up the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 USC 1835).

The PCA “…generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress.”

In the simplest sense, many people erroneously believe is that this means the military cannot be used domestically AT ALL, which is nonsense.

What is does mean is that federal military personnel cannot perform what is referred to a 'nominal' law enforcement activities, such as the enforcing of state or local laws.

It DOES NOT preclude the federal government from assigning military personnel to DEFEND and PROTECT the borders from an invasion of ANY kind. While illegal aliens (presumably for the most part) are not crossing the border with weapons, they are still efeectively invading the country.

As they were not lawfully admitted and we do not know who they are, the presumption is that they are 'hostile' tothe good order of the nation.

The defense of their actions is that '…they are just trying to make a better life for themselves and family.” is a specious defense. If we allow people to cross our borders undeterred and without accountability, we are surrendering our sovereign nation status.

If we stop enforcing our borders and continue to allow the unchecked migration of unknown MILLIONS of people, we should simply step away from the borders.

The PCA specifically expressly authorizes Congress to order the military to defend the borders. The Coast Guard is exempted from the restriction of the PCA. Why? Because they are charged with protecting the waters of the US – which are also borders.

Lastly, the PCA does NOT forbid any state governor from activating the National Guard (NG) for that state in any action to defend that state for ANY reason. State governor's do not do it because the state would have to pay for it, as it was not a federal mobilization order. But the point is that a state such as AZ or TX can, and do, use their state NG to protect their state from invasion.

We should order the 150-200,000 troops stationed in Germany, Korea, and anywhere other than Afghanistan to come back home and defend OUR border and NOT the Korean DMZ.

The 35,000 troops on the DMZ are there to supposedly deter the 1 million-strong N Korean army from invading S Korea, so why not use them to deter the 1 million invaders along the US-Mexican border?


Jwilliams3
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 4:58 pm

Expect zero change. The La Raza crowd has open borders, chain migration, zero interior enforcement, the 14th admendment, sky high birth rates, 12 guest worker programs, sanctuary cities and states, the media, the colleges, the unions, all 3 branches of government, a populace distracted by dancers and frozen from the word racist and most importantly, TIME.

This is amnesty on the installment plan. By 2100 the USA will have transformed into a poor third world meso american peasant country of over 1 BILLION people.

It's all over except for the fat senorita singing…


USAmerican100
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 7:01 pm

Guess you missed the other story about over half of State governments being taken over by enforcement only politicians, they are going to pass bills similar to Arizona SB 1070. All Congress has to do is ensure Obama deports all the illegals the states hand over under threat of impeachment. Also if they pass a bill ending birthright citizenship even if Obama does not sign it illegals will get the message they are not welcome.


Blanketbill
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 7:31 pm

Four seperate issues are in play:

1. Illegal imigrants are just that – ILLEGAL. By the way, they are not only Latino, but also quite a few are either Asian or European. How bout that! Many are classed as “caucasian”

2. The reason employment of these folks is desireable by some is that US Citizens, by and large, have priced themselves out of the job market and by raising the cost of their labor, raised their goods prices as well. Care must be taken with employment solutions, or the employer who can't employ people at lower wage jobs wil simply send those jobs out of country

The only other solution is to lower the minimum wage, heavily tax profits, provide socialzed medical care, and raise terriffs to the point that we make it impossible to import goods and nobody buys our exports. Frankly, I think we ought to just tax profits on a sliding scale and then ENFORCE it with no loop holes.

3. Quotas being lowered, and strictly enforced flys in the face of what made this country. I know a lot of white anglo-saxon christians think they are “America”, but it ain't true

4. In spite of all the progress that's been made in people accepting people since the 50's recognize there is still a lot of polarization, and there will always be. My mother was half Indian (we don't say “Native American like the White People, even though we know who the real Indians are. Many of us, dealing with the white majority prefer our tribal titles. We make them 'accecptable as “Cherokee” or “Apache”) Even though neither the Indians nor the whites really embrase me culturally, I often feel more comfortable in a group away from White People who are always complaining nobody should have special rights (but them).

In closing: In the 50's and 60's there was a lot of “America for the Americans” hollaring. My mother simply said “WHICH Americans.”


ZOO
Comment posted November 5, 2010 @ 8:05 pm

You want math? Here's some math: The average Hispanic family has 5 children. At an income level of of $48,362, that family has ZERO withholding from paychecks. They also qualify for $6,000 per year in food stamps, Federal E.I.C. and state “family” tax refunds. The cost of educating their children for one year runs from $45,000 to over $100,000 depending on the state. If the spent EVERY DIME of their income on goods and services, they would pay about $4,836 into the system in sales taxes.

Got a calculator?


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Sasha
Comment posted November 9, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

i don't understand your post, Patty.

do you realize that a lot of “potential illegal aliens,”as you say, don't even know they are illegal?
and legal immigrants who do apply for citizenship have to wait for years on, possibly losing their legal status in the process. legal immigrants who are here don't commit any crimes or try to cause any reason for the government to make them leave the country, even then, illegals are the same. why would someone(legal OR illegal) who is trying to make a better life for themselves want to bring attention to themselves and be banned from this country?


Sick of it all
Comment posted November 11, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

people like patty will never understand what is wrong with the immigration laws because they don’t see anything past their own experiences. im not making a moral argument. im a law student.
First…..overpopulation? As of 2010, there are over 300 million people in the US. i don’t know where you got the 3 million ALIENS we let in per year…..but let’s just say oyu’re right. allowing 3 million people in per year IS LESS THAN 1% of the ENTIRE US POPULATION!!!! furthermore, it’s a fact that 60% (YES, SIXTY PERCENT!!!) of all “illegal aliens” are here, NOT from crossing the border illegally, but from OVERSTAYING A VALID VISA. Therefore, 60% of all illegal aliens are part of the 3 million we let in legally every year. I think that pretyy much shoots your overpopulation argument to S**T.
second, im just adding this in for my own sake….the whole anchor baby argument is stupid because it’s impossible for any alien who entered the country illegally to get ANY legal status. doesn’t matter if you’re the spouse of a us citizen, a parent, borther, sister, whatever. in 1986, Congress changed the law to say that ‘if you entered the country illegally, you can never get your papers.’


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Comment posted November 27, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

all i have to say to you, Bill, is screw your damn NumberUSA ignorant piece of sh*t website that spews out falsified info that has no other sources to back up its findings. it’s the same concept as Wikipedea, my friend- an unreliable source of information. do some REAL research, and THEN try a debate.

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Alyx
Comment posted November 27, 2010 @ 7:56 pm

all i have to say to you, Bill, is screw your damn NumberUSA ignorant piece of sh*t website that spews out falsified info that has no other sources to back up its findings. it’s the same concept as Wikipedea, my friend- an unreliable source of information. do some REAL research, and THEN try a debate.

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Alyx
Comment posted November 27, 2010 @ 8:06 pm

who’s going to make your fat Chipotle burrito once all the immigrants are gone, my patriotic friend? Or clean the bathrooms at Wal- Mart so you can sit your fat ass down to take a dump after eating that fat burrito lol? :)

Prepare to start doing ACTUAL hard, sweat busting work, my friend, since you think all the immigrants are taking American jobs since Americans don’t feel like working for $7 an hour, they feel like having a nice fat paycheck at the end of the week that equals out from getting paid at least $13 an hour. Are you ready to go and bust your ass, working till you’re blue in the face, and covered in sweat and stink at the end of the day? Be my guest since you believe immigrants are taking ALL the jobs lol.

Please continue thinking that lol.

I’m waiting for that day when Americans will start complaining about how hard they have it, working their asses off and doing 12 hour shifts on a daily basis for under minimum wage- sorry, my friend, wont happen. Want to know why? Because Americans will THEN start complaining that immigrants did something wrong again lol.

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Alyx
Comment posted November 27, 2010 @ 8:06 pm

who’s going to make your fat Chipotle burrito once all the immigrants are gone, my patriotic friend? Or clean the bathrooms at Wal- Mart so you can sit your fat ass down to take a dump after eating that fat burrito lol? :)

Prepare to start doing ACTUAL hard, sweat busting work, my friend, since you think all the immigrants are taking American jobs since Americans don’t feel like working for $7 an hour, they feel like having a nice fat paycheck at the end of the week that equals out from getting paid at least $13 an hour. Are you ready to go and bust your ass, working till you’re blue in the face, and covered in sweat and stink at the end of the day? Be my guest since you believe immigrants are taking ALL the jobs lol.

Please continue thinking that lol.

I’m waiting for that day when Americans will start complaining about how hard they have it, working their asses off and doing 12 hour shifts on a daily basis for under minimum wage- sorry, my friend, wont happen. Want to know why? Because Americans will THEN start complaining that immigrants did something wrong again lol.

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