On Young People and Climate Change Skepticism

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We're drunk on petrochemicals, unable or unwilling to acknowledge our inability to control our use of them, and in denial of their deleterious effects.

“[A]s young people take on leadership roles, will the Republican Party’s positions on climate change … change?”

Or will young people's beliefs about climate change change? I think there must be some sociological or social psychological literature on the changing nature of beliefs as people age.

Republicans don't need the youth, because the youth become republican with age.

As a young (30) person who follows this closely, I would like to raise my hand as a non-tea party voter, who is wildly skeptical, even an outright denier of the Global Warming narrative.

What I've come to realize is that the “cure” for global warming is so attractive to most of my former liberal friends, they really don't care of the disease is real or not.

They judge their enemies to be deniers, and they judge the deniers to be their enemies. The actual factual truthfullness or accuracy of the global warming problem is very, very irrelevant to them.

That's about what this article is saying, that flat-earth, tea-party, and climate-change-deniers are all the same thing. Its just another we/they argument.

So, the climate scientist are just way off base then, huh? For medical advice do you go to your doctor or hairdresser? I guess you also tell all the other experts in your life your 'opinion' then?? you a moron…

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since when did the skeptics have any interest in “the actual factual truthfullnes or accuracy” of anything they espouse? The internet (and comments on news stories) is full of blatant lies and misinformation by skeptics. If you want to see some facts, look at:
http://www.skepticalscience.com

and if you want an example of deliberate and well documented and easily prooved scientific malfeasance by skeptics, just look at this:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/10/wegman-plagiarism-investigation-/1?plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:06d728ca-3d93-4d14-8b55-483b19bfc168

The point is that this is not a debate about abortion or gay rights..where people can have an opinion…if you are skeptical of global warming then come up with some science based evidence and have your ‘opinion’ go thru the same peer review process as a climate scientist…remember, this is the process that created this techo world today but we conveniently ignore it when it does not match are political leanings…

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Ok. I get it now. I see it clearly:

This climate change issue is really a tea party, neocon concern with you faded believers isn't it? What about us fellow liberal climate change deniers? Are we out of the party now? Are we evil conservatives now? Nobody, even us is going to vote yes to taxes to make the weather colder. We trusted the government to run the climate too? Voters have the final consensus and if any of you believers still think there is enough voter support out or will ever be out there, YOU are the new denier.

This is our Iraq War, this our mistake of climate change.

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How do you deal with the overwhelming science though mate?

Because denying “denial science” shows where your question comes from. At this stage of the game still believing in climate change is just a fanatical belief . You wear disco duds still too You don't even acknowledge opposing views as science. I'm a liberal and a denier and I suggest you get ahead of the science curve and investigate both sides instead of wishing for this misery to be true.

Name one single entity that supports out of control warming from CO2 that isn't supported on the public dollar some way.

It's not a lie to make a prediction about the future, so Climate Change got a free pass in the politics of science. Why can’t you see that? Why wouldn’t you be happy about avoiding a hell on earth?

It's all coming to pass soon anyways. Would you vote YES for taxes to be used by the government to manage the weather. Nobody will.

Do you see how history will mock you doomers for this.

I'm Green. I'm a denier. Pollution was real. We got it. Grow some.

What I find fascinating about this national debate is that so many question the underlying scientific process that is behind climate change predictions. That process, followed in every other scientific field, includes making observations about existing conditions, using physics and chemistry principles to predict future outcomes that might occur under different conditions, and then making observations to test those predictions. Who would deny that atmospheric CO2 (and other greenhouse gas) concentrations have been increasing? That glaciers are receeding and the polar icecap is melting? That global temperatures have been increasing? Of course there are deviations from the general trends in both time and space, but those observed trends have, so far, no better explanation than being driven by climate change. I can understand a vigorous debate about proposals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions (cap-and-trade, etc) and this is a good thing. But we must find some way to move beyond questioning the fundamental science. To our younger crowd I say: Suggest new experiments; develop new monitoring methods; identify where and what types of additional data should be collected; derive new theories and test them – in short, join the scientific efforts to better understand this challenging topic.

I think you misunderstand how peer review works. It does not guarantee that the published result is correct, just that it is not obviously and fatally flawed, extremely poorly presented, or — worst of all — boring.

The review process is a social one, and subject to all the political trends and fashions of any other social process. In my own field, computer science, such non-politicized issues as operating systems with micro-kernels, reduced instruction set architectures, and multilayer perceptrons have all been on the outs at one time only to regain popularity later. Just because the non-catastrophic position on climate change is out of favor now is not proof that it is incorrect, it is only proof that it is unpopular.

Of course the clown who wrote this, Andrew Restuccia, if you look at his other news half of it is climate related. People like him would be out a job if you listened to the modern scientists who tell you the earth is warming because the solar flares and man barely has anything to do with it. See not all scientists are smart, you can be a garbage man, but it doesnt mean you are good at it. Specially when you waste 8 years of your life becoming a “climate scientist” and people try to tell you its fake and you dont wanna admit your life is a waste. Oh yeah im under 30 and in school I got better grades than 90% of the school. I bet many “scientists” today got b's or less in school. I feel bad for idiots like that.

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I accepted the “man made global warming” idea unexamined for a long time. A colleague challenged me to cite some hard evidence, of which I had none. I am a Geophysicist and have enough scientific background to follow science literature. So, I did some research and what I found was disturbing, to say the least.

Misrepresentation, exaggeration, deletion of “inconvenient” data, “adjustment” of uncooperative readings, selective attention to data that seem to agree, dismissal of data that don’t agree, statistical manipulation to produce desired results, graphical deception to make results appear to support, scientific fraud on a scale that dwarfs the “Piltdown Man”, coercion of publishers to suppress opposing views, fantasy of “consensus” where none exists, and just plain big whopping LIES – that is what I found.

I suggest that young folks read (my sons still do that, hope your’s do) a book by the late Michael Crichton called “State of Fear”. The baseline story is interesting and fictional, but (as is the case with many Crichton novels) the science and references are hard and real. Anthropogenic Global Warming is thoroughly debunked in same. Of course, the internet is replete with information. I suggest the writings of Steven McIntyre and Lord Christopher Monkton for starters. Then do a search on “Climategate” and read up!

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Climatebob read this http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/03/john-cook-skeptical-science.html

For a debunking of (un)skepticalscience.com

And read these articles about the Wegman report
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/09/mashey-potatoes-part-1/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/10/dipping-into-the-sour-mash-part-2/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/12/manic-flail-epic-fail/
http://climateaudit.org/2010/10/12/copygate/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/21/blackmail-or-lets-make-a-deal/

This politically correct generation of pansies and obedient Greenzis thinks being radical is bowing to a fat American politician promising to lower the seas with taxes, trusting the government to manage the weather and sitting in the dark once a year for an hour with the lights turned out texting friends, heating up a frozen pizza in the oven and getting high.

Meanwhile, the UN had allowed carbon trading to trump 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 24 years of climate crisis warnings. Nice! Sleep tight. History is watching.

System Change, not Climate Change.

Fellow Progressives: CO2 is our WMD and history is watching. Time to move on and admit the CO2 MISTAKE.

Boycott any MAINSCREAM media that still spreads the CO2 “unstoppable warming-IPCC” mistake and fear mongering. It's criminal to frighten children like this any longer. The 24 years of failed warnings, doubts and Disco Science and fear mongering and needless panic and expense have caught up with the criminal media, scientists, environMENTALists and unfortunately, us progressives.

Climate change was to science and media what abusive priests are to religion.

WARNING: If you are still believing voters will vote yes for taxes to make the weather colder, YOU are the new denier.

Birth Control, not Climate Control.

System Change, not Climate Change.

Boycott the irresponsible media.

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